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		<title>Comment on The Leica M Monochrom Hands On Review by terakopian</title>
		<link>http://photothisandthat.co.uk/2012/05/17/the-leica-m-monochrom-hands-on-review/#comment-1821</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terakopian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 14:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leica are not a mass product manufacturer; we already have Canon, Nikon, Olympus and so on to choose from. It&#039;s like saying Bentley or Ferrari should be like Ford or Skoda. It&#039;s quite simple; the best quality, costs money. As a working photographer, in a market where fees are getting cut and work getting scarce, I would certainly like to be able to get all the Leica lenses and cameras I need for cheaper - I&#039;d love the M Monochrom and the astonishingly great 50mm APO Summicron. I would even put the S2 to great use. However, I do appreciate that these items use the best raw materials; no compromise in fact. The 50mm was designed purely to be the best - no corners cut. As a result, they perform better and last longer than anything else on the market. It&#039;s a testament to this quality that we still see lenses made in the 1950s being used daily! Hence the price. As I mentioned before, there are colour cameras out there from every manufacturer and also automated models - it&#039;s buyers choice; we make the decision to buy what suits our needs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leica are not a mass product manufacturer; we already have Canon, Nikon, Olympus and so on to choose from. It&#8217;s like saying Bentley or Ferrari should be like Ford or Skoda. It&#8217;s quite simple; the best quality, costs money. As a working photographer, in a market where fees are getting cut and work getting scarce, I would certainly like to be able to get all the Leica lenses and cameras I need for cheaper &#8211; I&#8217;d love the M Monochrom and the astonishingly great 50mm APO Summicron. I would even put the S2 to great use. However, I do appreciate that these items use the best raw materials; no compromise in fact. The 50mm was designed purely to be the best &#8211; no corners cut. As a result, they perform better and last longer than anything else on the market. It&#8217;s a testament to this quality that we still see lenses made in the 1950s being used daily! Hence the price. As I mentioned before, there are colour cameras out there from every manufacturer and also automated models &#8211; it&#8217;s buyers choice; we make the decision to buy what suits our needs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Leica M Monochrom Hands On Review by Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 13:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Leica wants to stay in business they must produce camera&#039;s and lens that are  bought by the public at large not some specialty camera like the B+W only M 9. Also they should bring to market an auto Luca and auto lens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Leica wants to stay in business they must produce camera&#8217;s and lens that are  bought by the public at large not some specialty camera like the B+W only M 9. Also they should bring to market an auto Luca and auto lens.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Leica M Monochrom Hands On Review by terakopian</title>
		<link>http://photothisandthat.co.uk/2012/05/17/the-leica-m-monochrom-hands-on-review/#comment-1819</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terakopian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 11:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some interesting questions...

I too produce a fair amount of B/W work using Silver Efex Pro 2 with my M9s. I&#039;ve been extremely happy with the results as have countless others who see the work.
However, the M Monochrom just does this much, much better. The tonal range and fine rendering just gives you a much better file. Whatever one decides to do to the file during processing, produces better results (naturally we are only talking B/W!) as the original file is so much richer tonally.

The difference between both cameras is noticeable if one&#039;s used to them or if a viewer was to look at images side by side. It&#039;s a specific B/W tool and as such performs brilliantly.

As fas as the low ISOs, generally the Leica M range has always been known as the low light camera. As a result, the M8 was under criticism for not producing good results above 640 ISO. I would personally more welcome the higher ISO settings than lower ones, but at least a quality ND filter allows to shoot with a wide aperture in bright light. There would be no fix the other way around.

Lastly, the Leica look is also about technique - one has to know what one&#039;s doing - just using an old, softer, glowing lens without the correct lighting will just make soft pictures. As you correctly pointed out though, for those who know what they are doing, these lenses exist and work on the new cameras, so it&#039;s great to have the choice. As you know, apart from a small number, most lenses from the 1950s will work with the new digital cameras.

The majority of photographers though, I feel, are after sharp and well rendering lenses (which still have the amazing tonal range and contrast abilities, married to rendering pin point light sources correctly and creamy out of focus rendering). As a photographer I think it&#039;s great to have this choice and to craft images as we see fit.

My current outfit, apart from two lenses, is made up of current lens lineup and I&#039;m absolutely delighted with the image quality I&#039;m producing; not technically (which is spot on), but aesthetically - the images have a feel to them. For me, that&#039;s just perfect :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting questions&#8230;</p>
<p>I too produce a fair amount of B/W work using Silver Efex Pro 2 with my M9s. I&#8217;ve been extremely happy with the results as have countless others who see the work.<br />
However, the M Monochrom just does this much, much better. The tonal range and fine rendering just gives you a much better file. Whatever one decides to do to the file during processing, produces better results (naturally we are only talking B/W!) as the original file is so much richer tonally.</p>
<p>The difference between both cameras is noticeable if one&#8217;s used to them or if a viewer was to look at images side by side. It&#8217;s a specific B/W tool and as such performs brilliantly.</p>
<p>As fas as the low ISOs, generally the Leica M range has always been known as the low light camera. As a result, the M8 was under criticism for not producing good results above 640 ISO. I would personally more welcome the higher ISO settings than lower ones, but at least a quality ND filter allows to shoot with a wide aperture in bright light. There would be no fix the other way around.</p>
<p>Lastly, the Leica look is also about technique &#8211; one has to know what one&#8217;s doing &#8211; just using an old, softer, glowing lens without the correct lighting will just make soft pictures. As you correctly pointed out though, for those who know what they are doing, these lenses exist and work on the new cameras, so it&#8217;s great to have the choice. As you know, apart from a small number, most lenses from the 1950s will work with the new digital cameras.</p>
<p>The majority of photographers though, I feel, are after sharp and well rendering lenses (which still have the amazing tonal range and contrast abilities, married to rendering pin point light sources correctly and creamy out of focus rendering). As a photographer I think it&#8217;s great to have this choice and to craft images as we see fit.</p>
<p>My current outfit, apart from two lenses, is made up of current lens lineup and I&#8217;m absolutely delighted with the image quality I&#8217;m producing; not technically (which is spot on), but aesthetically &#8211; the images have a feel to them. For me, that&#8217;s just perfect <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The Leica M Monochrom Hands On Review by Julian Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julian Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 06:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like to use Nik Silver Effects with my M9 files because I like the way grain holds a picture together, and I like the feeling of film. But, in doing this Nik does destroy the quality and smoothness typical of digital files.  My question is:  will this destruction of a MM file be great enough to render it little better than a M9 file?  I know extra quality will be relative to both camera (even after Nik) but will the quality difference be noticeable?   

I also don’t care for the high ASAs of the MM because I like to shoot with wide apertures.  In fact I will hate not having an 80ASA and also hate using ND filters.  Why have Leica abandoned lower ASAs and don’t they realise that not everyone wants to shoot under candle light.

My fear is that Leica are endlessly chasing the holy grail of startling sharpness with the MM and new ASPH lenses.  The ‘Leica look’ is vanishing and their pictures are becoming synthetically Disney-Land.  I for one combat this by using old lenses, which tend to produce the warmth and fulsom feel of the Leica masters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to use Nik Silver Effects with my M9 files because I like the way grain holds a picture together, and I like the feeling of film. But, in doing this Nik does destroy the quality and smoothness typical of digital files.  My question is:  will this destruction of a MM file be great enough to render it little better than a M9 file?  I know extra quality will be relative to both camera (even after Nik) but will the quality difference be noticeable?   </p>
<p>I also don’t care for the high ASAs of the MM because I like to shoot with wide apertures.  In fact I will hate not having an 80ASA and also hate using ND filters.  Why have Leica abandoned lower ASAs and don’t they realise that not everyone wants to shoot under candle light.</p>
<p>My fear is that Leica are endlessly chasing the holy grail of startling sharpness with the MM and new ASPH lenses.  The ‘Leica look’ is vanishing and their pictures are becoming synthetically Disney-Land.  I for one combat this by using old lenses, which tend to produce the warmth and fulsom feel of the Leica masters.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Leica M Monochrom Hands On Review by terakopian</title>
		<link>http://photothisandthat.co.uk/2012/05/17/the-leica-m-monochrom-hands-on-review/#comment-1812</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terakopian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 09:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree and applaud Leica for releasing this camera. For the B/W photographer, this is the perfect tool, by far. Naturally, if one shoots colour primarily, then it&#039;s more of a luxury!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and applaud Leica for releasing this camera. For the B/W photographer, this is the perfect tool, by far. Naturally, if one shoots colour primarily, then it&#8217;s more of a luxury!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Leica M Monochrom Hands On Review by Bollingthirst</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bollingthirst]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 09:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I quite understand why Leica would release a mono camera, it fits perfectly with their ethos. I&#039;m sure there will be some great images made on it in the months ahead. Personally, I&#039;ll be sticking with the M9. I don&#039;t think a few stops of light sensitivity and some extra resolution is worth losing the creative freedom which colour channels offer in black and white conversions. But it&#039;s great to see a manufacturer release something so unique!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite understand why Leica would release a mono camera, it fits perfectly with their ethos. I&#8217;m sure there will be some great images made on it in the months ahead. Personally, I&#8217;ll be sticking with the M9. I don&#8217;t think a few stops of light sensitivity and some extra resolution is worth losing the creative freedom which colour channels offer in black and white conversions. But it&#8217;s great to see a manufacturer release something so unique!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Leica M Monochrom Hands On Review by terakopian</title>
		<link>http://photothisandthat.co.uk/2012/05/17/the-leica-m-monochrom-hands-on-review/#comment-1808</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terakopian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 19:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is an amazing tool and produces such amazing detail and tonal range. Leica have rewritten the book now!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an amazing tool and produces such amazing detail and tonal range. Leica have rewritten the book now!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Leica M Monochrom Hands On Review by terakopian</title>
		<link>http://photothisandthat.co.uk/2012/05/17/the-leica-m-monochrom-hands-on-review/#comment-1807</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terakopian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 19:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most definitely agree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most definitely agree.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Leica M Monochrom Hands On Review by raffikirdiphotos</title>
		<link>http://photothisandthat.co.uk/2012/05/17/the-leica-m-monochrom-hands-on-review/#comment-1806</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raffikirdiphotos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 16:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The quality is superb, and will take us into different level in B&amp;W photography...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quality is superb, and will take us into different level in B&amp;W photography&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Leica M Monochrom Hands On Review by Gary Perlmutter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Perlmutter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 11:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The M Monochrom makes so much sense if you love black and white (as I do) and have the money (which I don&#039;t). The quality at 10,000 iso in your photo is incredible!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The M Monochrom makes so much sense if you love black and white (as I do) and have the money (which I don&#8217;t). The quality at 10,000 iso in your photo is incredible!</p>
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